Nutrition & Supplement Wisdom of Vince Gironda

Vince Gironda Atkins Diet

About a year-and-a-half ago I really desired to slim down considerably for physique contests, so I went on the Dr. Robert Atkins diet. I used a considerable amount of supplements daily. The results were excellent. My weight (which had been around 185 lbs.) dropped to 170 and my definition made up for any loss in muscular bulk.

I probably should have quit right there, but as I am sure you know many lifters walk a thin line
between being a dedicated enthusiast and being a fanatic. I remained on a zero carbohydrate diet for around nine months and I continued my supplement intake - stronger than ever. But near mid-summer of 1974 I began to experience adverse effects from this regimen. I guess that the very first noticeable sign I had was in an overall body weakness.

Sometimes while I was walking during the day my knees would buckle. I started to become very dizzy during the day and would experience a mild high sensation. One day this became so bad I had to leave work. I went to see a doctor, but he was obviously very unknowledgeable on any subject, least wise one of human nutrition.

About this time I read an article in Iron Man in which you talked about protein saturation. So I decided to write you. You answered me very quickly and wisely, told me to discontinue my supplements and high protein intake. But I think I personally waited much too long. I have always had excellent health (I am only 29 years old) but I began to experience what seemed like to me, every symptom known to man.

What I think, personally, is tha this diet caused me to develop allergies. During the winter I developed what seemed to me to be the 'flu. Bu no matter what I did I could not shake it. It moved into my ears and caused constant dizziness. My throat developed white spots on my tonsils. I went to different doctors weekly. I must have gone through ten different types of prescription medicines to no avail.

Then, in about February of this year I went to see an Eye, Ear, Nose& Throat Specialist. I must have dropped about $350.00 there. He kept asking me if I had any allergies, to which I would reply No! This went on for about six weeks. Then the thought hit me, could I have developed sensitivity from too much protein and supplements? By the way, I stopped taking supplements and had not been on any type of low carbohydrate diet for about six months. After thinking this allergy idea over, I decided to drop all meat in any form from my diet. Well, many of my symptons began to subside somewhat. Nothing in the way of these symptoms seemed to be quite as intense anyway.

I remained on a meatless diet for several months following this, but still I would have symptoms such as dark circles under my eyes; could not get enough sleep; spots on my tonsils sinus (which I never have had); pus from my penis; pain in my neck and lymph glands. One thing one day, other things the next. I was just having a whole lot of trouble performing physical tasks! I refrained from seeing an allergist because it seemed certain things made me sick one day, then the very next day they didn't. Besides, I have read that your allergies are constantly changing.

I have lately tried to go on a raw foods diet. It seems to help somewhat, but I still feel poorly sometime during the day. I have stayed clear of nuts because I seem to react to them. Also, vinegar seems to throw my body into a rage. I picked up Adele Davis' book and read the chapter on allergies.

So, now I have been taking heavy doses of Vitamin C and Pantothenic Acid. Again, this seems to help somewhat, but I have retained all symptoms.

Well, that's my story. I really would hate to think I am destined to have this condition for the rest of my life. I read one time that it takes six months to get over the ill effects of Dr. Atkins Diet, but I am going on a year. The last two days I have drunk nothing but orange juice and grapefruit juice in the hopes of flushing my system. But I imagine I will still feel bad in the coming weeks. I think, too, my physique, is really beginning to suffer. I have lost size everywhere. I now weigh only 155 lbs., I look O.K. and everything, but I just don't have it like I used to.

Vince, please write and advise.

P.S. Please forward this letter to anyone else you think might have a I solution. I am taking a multi-vitamin everyday. Also, other symptoms I have are heavy mucus in my nose and a slight fever at times.

Allergies are cured with megavitamin doses of Vitamin C (3,000 mg. per day).

Also, you must not stay on zero protein diets for longer than 72 hours (or all protein diets).

Raw shredded vegetable and steamed vegetable plates are an excellent idea (this is advocated by Dr. Henry G. Buler, M.D. and author of "Food is Your Best Medicine," $1.50, paperback - Vintage Books, a Division of Random House, New York).

Steak and eggs should be included in your diet also, but not in conjunction with carbohydrates. Also R.N.A. should be included in your diet.

If symptoms do not go, see a specialist doctor and follow his treatment.

(Musclemag Vol 2 issue 1)

Vince Gironda Maximum Definition Diet

Vince loved the protein and fat diet - I believe he called it the Maximum Definition Diet. I used Vince's diets when preparing for contests with great success.

Basically I was eating/drinking dozens of eggs a day (anywhere from 1-3dozen depending on what else I ate). Whole eggs are a perfect food (and cheap). I had only 3-4 meals a day, but between meals I would take a handfull of liver tablets. The most important supplements will be the enzymes, liver tabs, and EFA's. These will help with digestion and cravings.

Make sure you take in only fat and protein, as there are carbs hidden throughout the Standard American Diet (S.A.D.). Also try to limit your processed food intake (ie. use butter - not margarine, etc.) And drink plenty of water - hyperhydration. Every 3-4 (sometimes 5) days have ONE carb only meal. Don't make it too big, and don't eat crap...I guarantee you will feel like crap. Hell, I would get bloated after eating a small bowl of rice while dieting.

The longest I used this diet was 12 weeks. But honestly by week 3 or 4 it was no big deal and could have gone on much longer. But Nick would have me vary between the definition, hormone, and mass diets. Despite other's "beliefs", quality research shows no problems using this diet long term (research the Eskimo or Inuit Diet, or read Will Brinks info).

Hopefully I got the major stuff. Vince said that creating a the illusion of a muscular body was 85% nutrition. That means you MUST eat correctly, assuming you are already training correctly.

As I recall Vince said that raw, fertile eggs stimulated the endocrine system and therefore naturally increased growth related hormones. I would drink the shakes he recommended throughout the day for a couple of months (8wks) and switch to another more moderate diet (ie. mass or maintenance). These shakes consisted of raw eggs (12), cream, sometimes wheat germ, banana, and a milk/egg protein (now I use whey)... among other things.

The results aren't mind blowing, but they are noticable. First, recovery and growth happens more readily after just a week on this diet. Second, little aches and pains (low back, etc.) seem to diminish. And finally, I swear I feel a stronger pump during and after training. My body appears to lose fat and gain muscle, but nothing too dramatic (its not magic). And, barring injury, my weight and/or reps increase steadily.

Vince Gironda Eggs Diet

2-3 dozen eggs a day is a lot, especially if your current diet is moderate in protein and fat. Take it easy at first, and remember you will not be taking in any carbohydrates (assuming you are doing the fat loss diet) except once every 3-4 days in the form of a carb only meal.

Cooking and eating 2-3 dozen cooked eggs a day is difficult, but I found shakes to be the most convenient way of getting my fill.

One shake consists of:

Cream (half and half)
12 eggs (raw)
Water and Ice
Pure protein powder (quality whey/or milk and egg) - the powder is mainly for flavor.

Drink this throughout your morning as breakfast.

Adjust the volume to your preference (ie. taste and consistency).

And adjust the egg content to what you can handle (ex. 6 eggs x 3 x day = 1.5 doz. = half way to 3 doz.)

Repeat at noon and evening. Or make several shakes in the morning and bring them with you to work (so long as you have a fridge for storage).

If you want to eat, eat some eggs or meat. But you'll probably find your appetite calms down, and your cravings will subside.

Nick told me my diet was...

eggs: unlimited
meat: unlimited
..."thats it, any questions?"

remember to take digestive enzymes, an EFA blend, and a quality multi-vit (good b complex)
Vince liked liver tabs, and glandulars as well.

If you are not trying to lose bodyfat then just keep your carb intake moderate. By moderate I mean have some toast with your eggs, or enjoy a small veggie side dish with your steak. What I don't mean is inhaling worthless cereals, or other processed starchy foods with every meal. The kind of carbs you ingest doesn't all becomes a form a glucose (sugar) and will cause an insulin response (usually leading to bodyfat deposits). The exception would be fiberous food products, as your body cannot digest them.


Vince Gironda Half And Half Cream

We just used heavy whipping cream or half and half, thats what Vince told us to use. I've personally purchased both from CostCo, so yours should have it as well.

As far as damaging anything molecular, I just remember one of the guys at Vince's saying that I was supposed to mix my shakes by hand using a fork to "keep the integrity of the eggs" or something like that. Try it for yourself, but it sucked for me - I use the blender.

Determine The Amount Of Carbohydrates You Need

Vince was more concerned about what form weight was gained, as opposed to just gaining weight. So, at least in my case, his suggestions and plans for me included more fats and protein, but less carbs to ensure I gained quality, lean muscle and not fat.

How I determine the amount of carbs I need now is by starting low and gradually increasing. If I should start feeling lethargic, or get bloated I know I'm taking in too much carbs. If you start getting fat... you're taking in too much.

Remember to be patient when trying to gain/lose weight. If you were to gain one pound a week (4 pounds of muscle a month), you would be gaining an average of .14 lbs of unnoticable muscle a day. But over a year (should you stay consistent) that would equal to 52 pounds of very noticable muscle weight gained.

The last 36 - 48 hours before a competition I take in one yam every hour until the evening competition. Yes, on the hour every hour - one yam. My girlfriend or alarm would wake me up throughout the night every hour the night before competition and I would eat. Simple carb loading. Sometimes it worked wonderfully, others poorly - I've never mastered it.

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