Q. I read in Wendy Leigh's unauthorized biography of Arnold that when he first came to the United States he came to your gym to train with you. According to the book, he introduced himself as Mr. Universe and you said, "You look like a fat fu*k to me." Is that true?

Vince. I wouldn't say anything derogatory about Arnold. I'm too smart for that. She (Wendy Leigh) tried to get me to give her information which I refused to do.

Q. I'm not looking for any dirt on Arnold. I just find it interesting that you didn't bow down to him.

Vince. All I saw was a fat guy standing in front of my desk. And I told him so.

Q. Was he offended?

Vince. Oh yes. But he came back two weeks later after Zane (who weighs the same as I do and is the same height) beat him at a contest and he said, "I see what you mean."